fees or price

[taylor2144]

hi , look this game sounds really good and fun and i love rpg's and especially mmorpg's and this one sounds the best

but does this game have a subscription fee because i really hope it doesn't, i don't care if i have to buy the game from a shop but i hate paying subscription fees and im not aloud to because my dad even if i wanted to, please if ur planing to have subscription fees please reconsider

i would love it if it had no subscription and i would buy or download or whatever ASAP

[amz181]

they havent announced anything yet but i gotta make a plea aswell, i dont mind at all if this game has a retail price but monthly subscriptions i do not wish to pay, it would be much better if you had a retail price on your game, it would add so many more players look at guild wars. so please dont go P2P the game sounds great from what ive heard but if it it goes P2P i doubt ill play other than in beta...

[Moloch]

“We havent decided on our payment plan for customers yet. GameCards are a definite at launch.”
(Damon, FP 23 Aug 06)

That's all we have so far. Payment plans are one of the last things - with computer specs - usually released. I'd bet on a P2P model tho.

[hanstin]

I hope its p2p those games are always better then f2p

[amz181]

Not nessacelery true, i know what you mean though, if its F2P then there'll be loads of hackers, and if its P2P there wont be because they wont pay to hack. Well with retail its just as good, guild wars is a brilliant game and is really kicking off and there are literally no hackers, so retail is what i hope for, please damon ;D

[taylor2144]

Not nessacelery true, i know what you mean though, if its F2P then there'll be loads of hackers, and if its P2P there wont be because they wont pay to hack. Well with retail its just as good, guild wars is a brilliant game and is really kicking off and there are literally no hackers, so retail is what i hope for, please damon ;D

i agree, i bought and play guild wars and its a heaps fun f2P mmorpg, and there r heaps of ppl on it and there r no bugs or hackers me and my friends have been looking for a game like this so pls dont make it P2P SOOOO many ppl would buy this game if it was F2P please;D (on knees begging) ;D ha

[amz181]

i agree, i bought and play guild wars and its a heaps fun f2P mmorpg, and there r heaps of ppl on it and there r no bugs or hackers me and my friends have been looking for a game like this so pls dont make it P2P SOOOO many ppl would buy this game if it was F2P please;D (on knees begging) ;D ha

yeah i agree, lets make this a begging thread * gets down to his knees and starts slobering* "PLEAASE!!!"

theres so many P2P games that are good but dont make it because they have a fee, if it was retail BAM! Millions of users...PLEASE

[taylor2144]

yeah i agree, lets make this a begging thread * gets down to his knees and starts slobering* "PLEAASE!!!"

theres so many P2P games that are good but dont make it because they have a fee, if it was retail BAM! Millions of users...PLEASE

dude came down i was just kidding about being on my knees god whats wrong with you

[Brionntateg]

I don't mind paying monthly, as long as the game is maintained, bugs are fixed, new content added, gms are actually available to help you ... all of the details that make a game really smooth as well as having on-going dynamics require continued investment. What I don't want to see happen is for members to be paying for what should be beta testing. My husband, son, and I beta tested Vangaurd and loved the potential of the game. I spent huge amounts of time as a tester doing my "job" and providing feedback. But they released well before they had a complete gaming environment established and it was very disheartening to pay for a game that was obviously incomplete. It was even worse to continue paying while the obvious issues went unresolved.
On the other hand, we maintain four WoW accounts. We pay monthly and we see the results of our payments as the game is constantly undergoing maintenance and improvement (ok ... so I don't always like their version of "improvement"...but they are always working on the game). My money is well spent, in my oppinion. For the cost of one dinner out, my family has the ability to play all month long. And we play together, which adds to our family, rather than detracting from it.

If you want a game that is going to really grow and respond the way I hope Kaos Wars will, then you have to be willing to fund the on-going work that service costs to provide.

[amz181]

dude came down i was just kidding about being on my knees god whats wrong with you

im not acutally on my knees, and theres nothing wrong with me, just stop taking things so literally, think before you post.

and brionntateg, i agree with you but, very few games are good enough to make me pay monthly and i would almost certainly buy this game if it was retail...

[Damon]

I agree with you guys alot about p2p or f2p. Alot of companies are attempting new business models around their games. What is successful in the U.S and European market might not be accepted in Asia or visa versa. Alot of due diligence goes into choosing a business model for an online game. It takes a tremendous amount of upkeep to keep these running and the costs become astronomical depending on the success of the title.

For example every Gigabyte that is sent to your computer via the internet from our game servers costs us around 2 or 3 cents. Now this might not seem alot to everyone but imagine millions of customers. You take into account the average play session of each player say 4 hours, then multiply that by how many mb per hour they could use.

Maybe by the time we are ready to launch we can find a way to make all sides happy while still being able to maintain costs.

[amz181]

Well im certainly hoping, your game is really sounding brilliantaxanabadistanerica

[Thylacine]

I'm all for monthly subscriptions as opposed to f2p. WoW would not be anywhere near the greatness it is right now unless there were monthly subscriptions to pay top-of-the-line devs, artists, programmers etc...

Free-to-play games usually have to make money by killing the roleplay feeling with in-game advertisements, or by in-game shops where players can use RL money to buy in-game items. The latter of the two may not sound so bad, but for most of us an MMO is an escape from the problems or boringness of the real world. With in-game shops allowing players with more RL cash get the upperhand on those with less cash (or parents who won't let them spend it), then real world problems become a part of your fantasy experience :(

I say, give me monthly subscriptions :)
-Thy

[amz181]

but still, with a retail price it would be fine, as i said before look at guild wars, that game is great and its getting new users all the time. I myself do find the concept of a cash shop annoying unless its done well, i hate games that give massive advantages to those who pay, if its not like that however its alright, but still with F2P theres the problem of hackers... With retail and P2P it eliminates most of the hacking because who would pay to hack :p

[trast]

Compare P2P Games, and F2P games, and you'll notice wich one has the big names, and wich don't. P2P helps the company more then F2P. When we give them a monthly payment, they can spend more resources on improving the game. I would not mind paying a monthly fee, but then again I don't know how this game will turn out, altough atm it sounds great.

And, no offence.. But a credit payment of 10 bucks a month can keep alot of kiddies away, no offence to you kiddies, but I dont like you.

[amz181]

yes but what about retail, would you mind that? Another plus side of retail that i thought of is that it would reduce lag loads seeing as quite a bit of the game would be streaming str8 off the disc, and this game, if it goes retail, would most likely be a 15, so no kiddies...

[trast]

Well, saying that you don't want to pay a monthly fee, is like saying you don't want to support the game. This is how online games work, and ofcourse GW can manage since they have NCSoft, and that is a huge fucking company that has a hell of alot of games under their wings. Wich means that since they mass produce, they don't need to have a monthy fee for some games. This isn't a huge company, and they probably can't do what NCsoft does.

[amz181]

not really, if i didnt want to support the game i wouldnt play it or post in its forums... And for what im gathering shattered reality isnt going to be working by themselves, we still dont know who else is involved. I know that the likelyhood of the matter is that this game will be P2P but i can still try to change the devs minds... Unlikely but its worth it.

[trast]

not really, if i didnt want to support the game i wouldnt play it or post in its forums... And for what im gathering shattered reality isnt going to be working by themselves, we still dont know who else is involved. I know that the likelyhood of the matter is that this game will be P2P but i can still try to change the devs minds... Unlikely but its worth it.

Of course, I agree that they probably won't be working by themselfs, but then again, it's hard to compare it to NCsoft (yet), even though it's not the best company, they have a huge amount of money to spend on whatever. That's why they can make atleast 1 good game, (GW) and make it free, with only a retail cost.

[Thylacine]

I know that the likelyhood of the matter is that this game will be P2P but i can still try to change the devs minds... Unlikely but its worth it.

What I was trying to say, and what I believe Trast is saying, is that it's not a matter of trying to change the Dev's minds. Being passionate about making a great game means you want your game to be played by anyone and everyone! I'm sure if the Devs could, they would make this game free to play and everyone would magically have a free breakfast, lunch, and dinner delivered to their free mansion every day.

But the reality is that people need to get paid to live. People who work hard, expect to be able to live better, and with that comes a bigger paycheck. It's just the way capitalism works.

Even if SRI obtained a publisher with money like NCSoft, I would still prefer monthly subscriptions. Even with all their money, as a game Guild Wars is not a competitor to WoW. Not even close IMO. Paying monthly payments gives SRI the ability to hand-pick an excellent staff that will create and maintain a kickass MMO.

[Valkazon]

I've been playing a few f2p games lately and I have to say they %^@# me off immensly because of the spammers selling gold at their websites, griefers... the list goes goes on.
Give me a p2p any day of the week, at least I know that when you petition the GMs about some loser that's hacking you off then something may get done about it and they would think twice rather than go make a new account and start again - be it closing their account, IP ban or whatever.

But as previously said, there is another side to subscriptions and that's the bug fixing, support and help, updates etc. If you get these right then IMHO you're on to a winner.

I know you're never going to please everyone as there is such a split over f2p and p2p but how about introducing both functions into the game - players that are paying a subscription get access to the whole game content, but the f2p people get a reduced content version such as unable to travel to some zones for example.