mounts

[eniac]

would be cool to get some players on giant mounts like demon dogs and stuff like that just putting it out there

[deghost]

OR we can get other people to carry you while you take a washroom break :D

[jiisu]

We've been kicking around some ideas on how we want to do mounts in Kaos War, but havent come to any sort of concrete decision. When the time is right we'll surely let you know. :-p

[Damon]

I was voting for Karate Monkey and Ninja Shark mounts but that was quickly shot down :(

[eniac]

culture barbarians .....

[acidmeth]

A karate monkey doesn't sound too bad if its big enough to hold me lol,maybe a gorilla type like a 1/10th scale of kingkong,or maybe a huge baboon so they have to look at the big red butt as you run thru town/hunting zones. :P

[jiisu]

O_O thats frightening....

[Darthorious]

lol...

A carebear for the win lol...

[Superman]

Im just wondering if the the mount for the "Angel class" will just be there wings.....or like As they level there wings grow and at the max level they can invest in "flying wings" training, but before then ride other mounts.

[Mister Matt]

have the demon dogs be jackals if you go on that idea

[Stiler]

The race that has wings, will they not actually be able to fly without some kind of a short time limit or such?

It'd be nice if they could full-on fly without worrying about some short-timer that makes them constantly come down to the ground or such.

Watching the trailer for Aion (I know it seems like they kinda ripped off Kaos war) but the ability for the race to fly freely about just seems too cool to pass up and restrict them to a short-timer or such that doesn't really let you "enjoy" flying about because you're constantly worrying about landing/taking off all the time to conserve your energy or such.

[Damon]

The race that has wings, will they not actually be able to fly without some kind of a short time limit or such?

It'd be nice if they could full-on fly without worrying about some short-timer that makes them constantly come down to the ground or such.

Watching the trailer for Aion (I know it seems like they kinda ripped off Kaos war) but the ability for the race to fly freely about just seems too cool to pass up and restrict them to a short-timer or such that doesn't really let you "enjoy" flying about because you're constantly worrying about landing/taking off all the time to conserve your energy or such.




The flight in Aion is not free form. It is similar to World of Warcraft's Flight paths as far as I have researched. Free form flying has always been a design goal for Kaos War.

[Moloch]

WoW's Xpac flying in the Outlands is supposed to be freeform - should be interesting.

There was flying in Shadowbane, but IMO it was more a part of their rock/paper design balance of class types.

[Stiler]

The race that has wings, will they not actually be able to fly without some kind of a short time limit or such?

It'd be nice if they could full-on fly without worrying about some short-timer that makes them constantly come down to the ground or such.

Watching the trailer for Aion (I know it seems like they kinda ripped off Kaos war) but the ability for the race to fly freely about just seems too cool to pass up and restrict them to a short-timer or such that doesn't really let you "enjoy" flying about because you're constantly worrying about landing/taking off all the time to conserve your energy or such.




The flight in Aion is not free form. It is similar to World of Warcraft's Flight paths as far as I have researched. Free form flying has always been a design goal for Kaos War.


I was under the impression from watching the videos that in Aion you had full on control of your character in-flight and weren't restricted to rails or a time-limit in the air.

That's good to air about Kaos war though, I defiently can't wait to see that in action :).

One of the main reasons I tried to play shadowbane with their flying race but it was just boring because you constantly had to land, then fly a little, then land again, etc.

Can you comment any about the physics or any abilities you might be able to do during flight? Like is the aim to try to make it feel like you're actually using wings and they have an affect based on speed/air, etc or is it going for a more arcadey type of flight system?

[noname4444]

WoW's Xpac flying in the Outlands is supposed to be freeform - should be interesting.

There was flying in Shadowbane, but IMO it was more a part of their rock/paper design balance of class types.

I was a birdy scout in Shadowbane (Member of Aftermath Proper, if that has meaning to anyone, probably not). I think the flying was fairly balanced in SB, having a timer on the flight keeps it somewhat balanced. Then again, flying across the entire world would be very fun.

Personally, I think flight should only have a timer when the person is engaged in combat. It helps keep the fight balanced while still allowing extended freeform flight.

[Damon]

I remeber Aftermath very well Noname ;)

[noname4444]

I remeber Aftermath very well Noname ;)

I'm glad someone remembers! Rising to power in Shadowbane had so much meaning, it's sad when things started to fall apart. It seems like such a distant memory now. Server lag aside, SB definately had some of the best PvP. I'll never forget when a small group of Aftermath Proper was attacked by a much larger force, and we won with good leadership, planning, and skill.

Plus having a large city and know that it's all something that you (and your guild) has put together. Walking through it and defending it had so much meaning.

Sorry, it's been a long time since I've met someone who played Shadowbane, it's nice to remenence.

[Mister Matt]

i know that Shadow Bane was an mmo but what was it exactly?

[noname4444]

i know that Shadow Bane was an mmo but what was it exactly?

Shadowbane was one of the best PvP games ever! Here's their website (http://chronicle.ubi.com/) with all the information about the game.

It was completely player driven. The world was covered with player made cities. If you worked hard enough you could own your own shop. Though just as you had player made cities, players could come and raze your city (at any time). This wasn't easy of course, no one wants their hard work destroyed without any effort.

Leveling went quickly and the characters were fairly customizable. The idea was less level grinding against mobs and more PvP fights. This game had some true epic battles. Unlike WoW where horde and alliance will just fight back and forth in contested zones, in Shadowbane you were defending something in a battle. If you lost, you could see your city burned to the ground.

But, as a MMORPG it didn't last very long. Many servers were basically ruled by some uber guild (or alliance) and unless you were part of that, your guild had no chance. There was no solo content, no quests. It was so focused on PvP it forgot the rest of the game!

[hanstin]

i know that Shadow Bane was an mmo but what was it exactly?

Shadowbane was one of the best PvP games ever! Here's their website (http://chronicle.ubi.com/) with all the information about the game.

It was completely player driven. The world was covered with player made cities. If you worked hard enough you could own your own shop. Though just as you had player made cities, players could come and raze your city (at any time). This wasn't easy of course, no one wants their hard work destroyed without any effort.

Leveling went quickly and the characters were fairly customizable. The idea was less level grinding against mobs and more PvP fights. This game had some true epic battles. Unlike WoW where horde and alliance will just fight back and forth in contested zones, in Shadowbane you were defending something in a battle. If you lost, you could see your city burned to the ground.

But, as a MMORPG it didn't last very long. Many servers were basically ruled by some uber guild (or alliance) and unless you were part of that, your guild had no chance. There was no solo content, no quests. It was so focused on PvP it forgot the rest of the game!

WoWs pvp comes with The expansion just so u know

[a chewy rock]

I never played WoW. Isn't that crazy?!?!?!?!?!?

[Mister Matt]

i just started to play WoW last week so dont feel bad

[a chewy rock]

Well I'll probably never play it unless I'm at a friend's house and they have it.

[hanstin]

go back to RL now when you have the chance SAVE YOURSELF !

[a chewy rock]

Save myself from what?

[Mister Matt]

from getting your social life ruined

[a chewy rock]

Wouldn't playing WoW ruin a social life instead of not playing it?

[Cady]

Wouldn't playing WoW ruin a social life instead of not playing it?

Good point. Though I could live without a social life if people continue to be so judgemental in the south.

[Ziegler]

Never played WoW, thank god is wasnt starcraft or my life would have sucked away with so many other millions.....

As to mounts...couple of things...

I wanna a flaming from the pits of hell Harley.

Also, Horizons has free form flying, but you are unable to take any other action while flying...of course, you are a dragon, the most gimped race in the game, so isnt like you care.

[a chewy rock]

You've mentioned Harleys in 2 posts already. What's up with that?!?!?

[Ziegler]

well, the first one was just my welcome post, what can I say, I am glad I got my first Harley.

But concerning this post, this is supposed to be, from what I read, a apopaclitic setting with technology...so along with demons and angels, will there be motorcycles/cars/tanks/airplanes along with the guns and factories?

[a chewy rock]

lol, apopaclitic? You mean apocalyptic?

[Ziegler]

lol, apopaclitic? You mean apocalyptic?
yeah, that too.

[jiisu]

As we've said in the past, we dont have any plans to include vehicles in the vein of battlefield 2. There will be mounts and they may be vehicular, but to what degree of mobility they would have and where you could take them, I could not say.

[Spartan]

Has anyone played Metal Gear Solid lately? Kaos War could impliment the "training" aspect like in MGS. The more pull-ups you did the stronger your character became and longer you could hang and do things. So when your a Deva and AlGar, why not make it so you can only fly for so long, but the more you fly the longer and stronger your wings become. The Devs said that your character would depend on how you wanted him/her to be. The more you used a sword the stronger your become, the more you use a gun the nimbler you become. Why not impliment that into flight. So the more you flew the longer you could fly. Having like 200 Levels of flight. Level 200 would allow you to fly around Kaos 1 time without stoping. Then take the distance of Kaos and divide it by 200 to find out how far one can go.

EX:
Kaos: 49,647 Miles (Circumference)
49,647 Miles / 200 = 248.235 Miles.
Level 1 Flight: 220 Miles
Level 2 Flight: 400 Miles
Level 3 Flight: 700 Miles
.
.
.
.
Level 200 Flight: 49,647 Miles

Thats just an example. IDK how big Kaos is so its hard to determine the levels of flight. But flight should be like a bird, your dumb until you reach a certain age and then you learn to fly.

[Faithless]

Has anyone played Metal Gear Solid lately? Kaos War could impliment the "training" aspect like in MGS. The more pull-ups you did the stronger your character became and longer you could hang and do things. So when your a Deva and AlGar, why not make it so you can only fly for so long, but the more you fly the longer and stronger your wings become. The Devs said that your character would depend on how you wanted him/her to be. The more you used a sword the stronger your become, the more you use a gun the nimbler you become. Why not impliment that into flight. So the more you flew the longer you could fly. Having like 200 Levels of flight. Level 200 would allow you to fly around Kaos 1 time without stoping. Then take the distance of Kaos and divide it by 200 to find out how far one can go.

EX:
Kaos: 49,647 Miles (Circumference)
49,647 Miles / 200 = 248.235 Miles.
Level 1 Flight: 220 Miles
Level 2 Flight: 400 Miles
Level 3 Flight: 700 Miles
.
.
.
.
Level 200 Flight: 49,647 Miles

Thats just an example. IDK how big Kaos is so its hard to determine the levels of flight. But flight should be like a bird, your dumb until you reach a certain age and then you learn to fly.

ME LIKE. ;D

[Damon]

Oh that is a great idea Spartan.

[Spartan]

Oh that is a great idea Spartan.

OMG, I got a "Good Idea", Woot. +1 to me. lol.

[Zaiwob]

Actually it was a great idea, thats even better. As for the mount units, shouldnt it be possible to move them whereever you want instead of WoWs mode where you just can maneuver the land mount units. So if it should be possible to maneuver all mounts, with spartans idea for flight mounts, and with land mounts the speed of the unit increase by a small amount each level.

I think also, maybe its just me, that mounts should be possible to get killed and then the level of the next mount would be reset to 1. Dont know what it helps really but would be more reality in the game, you could then maybe just duel someone and kill its mount unit.

[Moloch]

I think also, maybe its just me, that mounts should be possible to get killed and then the level of the next mount would be reset to 1. Dont know what it helps really but would be more reality in the game, you could then maybe just duel someone and kill its mount unit.

Griefing ftw :)

[Spartan]

I think also, maybe its just me, that mounts should be possible to get killed and then the level of the next mount would be reset to 1. Dont know what it helps really but would be more reality in the game, you could then maybe just duel someone and kill its mount unit.


Idk, because Deva's can fly, so what about them. If they can't "die" like a ground mount, then its really not fair to the Al-Gar and Humans.

Maybe, if all sides get a ground mount it could work, but each class should get an indestructable mount like the Deva.

[Zaiwob]

Yeah that would work i guess, but when i mean the mounts should be killable i dont mean to just attack and hit once and they die. It was more like charge someone and do everything to kill its mount, then it should be possible. Because if they are too weak no-one would even use those killable mounts and all would go with "indestructable" mounts. But then all races should have atleast one flying mount that would be indestructable, maybe there can be hoovering mounts, its not running at the ground but its targeted as a ground unit.

I think also that killable mounts should have something that "indestructable" mounts dont have. And maybe that you cant maneuver the "indestructable" mounts, you just choose the destination and they "fly" there. A mount you can maneuver should have some bonuses like some +stats to the character or any skill improvement while mounted. Well, +stats and skills while traveling an "indestructable" mount isnt really useful, thinking of WoW traveling now, then its not useful with +stat/skill for character :p.

I'm just thinking, some coments would be nice :rolleyes:

[a chewy rock]

I think if there's a mount and it dies that you should be able to ressurect it like you would another player. Maybe there'll be a set time period until ressurection is no longer available. If there's absolutely no way of reviving a mount there will be people (griefers) who solely target other player's mounts just to annoy them.

There should be mounts that are only available to their race like some flesh demon type thing for the Al'Gar and some kind of spirit-like thing for the Deva and a motorcycle type thing for the humans. But, there also needs to be mounts that are available to all races like some kind of animal that's native to the different parts of the planet.

[Ziegler]

How do you ressurect a motorcycle?

[Cady]

How do you ressurect a motorcycle?

Black Magic.

[Spartan]

With your hands and $2000

[a chewy rock]

Yeah, by ressurect I meant bring back into a working state. Is that better. Broken to Fixed or Dead to Alive.

[Zaiwob]

motorcycles? will there be motorcycles?? now you ruined my thoughts about this game.. Is it going to be a present or future game? :confused: that means like no swords/bows/daggers... :'( And worst of all: no helmets xD

[hanstin]

its gonna have guns AND swords :D

[Spartan]

"FUTURE FANTASY"

Rising Force Online had this.
RF Online for nubs.

[a chewy rock]

If you weren't aware of the humans with their technology and guns and such, then you need to read up on some stuff. I was assuming there will be something similar to a motorcycle. Some kind of bike thing most likely, but I'm not the person to ask and I doubt that a dev will be willing to tell us now.

[Zaiwob]

i think motorcycles dont fit in games like this, its too much technology. If we go irl first gun were invented in like 14th century. but motorcycles came alot later. I have no idea when but if its a future game I guess it will be possible to use them.

Els could some horse looking animal be mounts for humans, we actually used horses before we used motorcycles ;)

[hanstin]

personaly i dont realy see motorcycles fit in mmo's its to current personaly i like a major futuristick game or a medieval kinda thingy game not current GTA.

Tho Mounts how will this work for the deva? since they got wings etc and how will it work for the al'gar with all there sharp edges doesent that hurt?

[a chewy rock]

Too much technology?!?!?!? The humans are supposed to be equal because of their high tech knowledge as far as I know.

[Darthorious]

One thing about destroyable mounts is ya in SWG lots of grief'rs now that being said you can buy speeders for really cheap...

Basicly someone gets bored and waits at the pvp line cloaked usually a spy although Jedi can also. As soon as someone enters the zone on a bike, they decloak 1 shot the bike re-cloak and move to a diffrent position so they can't be found. Happens all the time by folks who admit their just board or want to up their crafting sales...

Now ya there are speders that are worth over 15mil and some mounts that are exclusive and can't be bought or gained through any quests and those are the first to go of course.

[Ziegler]

Race: Humanity
The human race is made up of chaos and as such it has never possesed the innate mystical abilities that define the existance of the Al’Gar and Deva. Instead humanity has evolved and developed advanced technologies to help them control the world they live in. As the human race was never able to travel using mystic portals, they have remained on Kaos ever since mankind came into being. The one thing that defines humanity as a race is that despite their various laws and beliefs they care greatly for all other humans. It is this caring that united mankind on Kaos after centuries of war, long before the arrival of the Al’Gar and the Deva. Humanity is lead by a Signifier, a ruler elected for life. The armies of humanity are called orders, each lead by a respected leader that has pledged loyalty to the Signifier.

City: Sanctuary
The last human city, it’s countless citizens made up from survivors of all ethnicity's. Positioned in the flow of a steep canyon riverbed, Sanctuary has been able to sustain itself for centuries thanks to the power supplied by it’s giant hydroelectric dam. This dam keeps the city dry, sending the water trough underground pipes to the other sides of the city. Using the ample supply of electricity and clean water, the city of Sanctuary sustains itself with food harvested from it’s perfectly regulated hydrophonic farms, deep below the city. Sanctuary is the seat of the Signifier, the elected ruler of mankind and the Orders, the armies of humanity that fight in his name. Although humanity lacks the abillity to open portals in order to deploy their troops into battle, the fast transport shuttles, used for both regular transportation and millitary drops, more then make up for this.

Linkage (http://www.kaoswar.com/world.php)

I would say from reading that...motorcycles would fit in just fine.

[a chewy rock]

When I said motorcycles, I just meant some type of bike thing. Not necessarily a bike like a Harley or even a crotch-rocket.

[Zaiwob]

Ziegler please dont use that purple color, it kills my eyes.. :(

And instead of motorcycles it could be like a fantasy hoovering bike-looking thing. Maybe, but thats even more technology. But since it dont exist IRL it could work i think.

[a chewy rock]

See, now you're starting to understand.

[Vladimir]

MOUNTS!?! think of those poor animals! do you know how bad getting mounted sucks?











well neither do i but thats besides the point.

[Vladimir]

motorcycles would fit in just fine.

motorcyles need to be there own race.

[Ziegler]

motorcyles need to be there own race.


No...only Harley riders.

[hanstin]

na aaah aprilia FTW

[Ziegler]

once you grow a pair, you wont like those crotch rockets so much. They're nice for zipping around real quick but you wont like them on long hauls.

As to the game, I wouldnt mind my harley being a techno advanced hell fire spewing piece of mad flying metal.

[z80]

I want a hyena mount.

[a chewy rock]

Go to Africa. I think there's hyenas there, lots of 'em too.

[Cady]

It'd be easier to rent lion king.

[z80]

those r too small

[Cady]

those r too small

Well aren't you picky.

[a chewy rock]

Hey if you want big, they've got elephants in Africa too.

[rynb1n]

and Giraffes! Damn, I want a Giraffe mount, it would be like riding a tall horse with a slide for a neck! (whoa that would be fun, sliding down a giraffe's neck)

[a chewy rock]

Ya, until your balls slam into its back!

[Cady]

WARNING: Dramatic Eye Rolling Ahead!

*rolls eyes* All of this is completely ridiculous.

However, Damon. If they get giraffes, elephants, and hyennas then I want pegasus! ;D

[z80]

i want one too

[a chewy rock]

Except, instead of wings on the pegasus, give it jet boosters on its hooves.

[Cady]

Except, instead of wings on the pegasus, give it jet boosters on its hooves.

NO! That would defeat the whole point of having pegasus!

[a chewy rock]

lol, that was my whole point. I own the pegasus; it doesn't have a say!

[rynb1n]

I would like to own a pegasus...

maybe a giraffe too.......

ok for real. A cool mount would be a wolverine would it not?

[z80]

wolverines ftw!

[Cady]

I would like to own a pegasus...

maybe a giraffe too.......

ok for real. A cool mount would be a wolverine would it not?

I think I'd honestly like T-Rex for a mount. I mean you don't get much more ferocious than that. And while Pegasus looks pretty...it's too girly for me.

[a chewy rock]

T-Rex?!?!?!? Get one of those little chihuahuas. Those, I think, are more ferocious.

[Cady]

NO. I don't want a little chihuahua. I WANT a T-REX! >:(

[a chewy rock]

What if it had jet boosters on its feet?

[Cady]

What if it had jet boosters on its feet?

A T-Rex would still be WAY better. But if you're so amused by a chihuahua with jet boosters then I vote Damon requires you to use a chihuahua with jet boosters as your mount once the game is finished.

[a chewy rock]

I would. If Damon and his crew specially made one just for me, that would be freakin' awesome. How about it Damon?!?!?!?

[Cady]

I would. If Damon and his crew specially made one just for me, that would be freakin' awesome. How about it Damon?!?!?!?

Damon, if he gets a chihuahua I would like to have a T-Rex please.

[z80]

i also want an ostrich sized flamingo

[Cady]

i also want an ostrich sized flamingo

Why a flamingo?

[z80]

Why a flamingo?

they look cool when they are big. they would be almost like the chocobo or the bloodelf mounts but different.

[Mister Matt]

i want a big lizard or a serpent

[a chewy rock]

You all are the reason I can't have what I want. Because then you want something too. God, you jerks!

[Cady]

You all are the reason I can't have what I want. Because then you want something too. God, you jerks!

Don't be such a baby. I'm sure Damon could come up with WAY better ideas anyways.

[a chewy rock]

I was kidding....

[Cady]

I was kidding....

We know you were acting like a kid...it was quite obvious.

[a chewy rock]

Do you know how cool it would be to have your very own custom mount in an MMO like this? It would be freakin' crazy. And I had to add the jet boosters because it was a continuing thing in this thread for some reason.

[Cady]

Do you know how cool it would be to have your very own custom mount in an MMO like this? It would be freakin' crazy. And I had to add the jet boosters because it was a continuing thing in this thread for some reason.

um yeah It would be SUPER cool!!! (I still think the T-Rex is the coolest tho)

[Varacolaci]

Hello I come from a worl without many mounts... LineageII - Guildwars-Rose Online-City of Heroes and many more but Please, Please do horses. They were the first monted animal and they are so beautifull. I have been looking for a game with horses as mounts (Anarchy have them but they doesn't look nice)

[xhellmagic]

i like flying mounts
swimming mounts lol anyone heard of it? no game have a mount that can swim before

[Mister Matt]

how about an unerwater personal submarine or something for humans as a mount

[a chewy rock]

Or..... lol, maybe a seahorse.....

[Cady]

Or..... lol, maybe a seahorse.....

Aww, that'd be cute!

[Rhiannon]

Mermaids with breathing tanks! Ride em' Cowboy!!!!!

[a chewy rock]

I was kidding just so you know... Because the mount that you'd generally think of would be a horse, so I said seahorse.... Yeah...

[hanstin]

Dont do horses i am strongly against horses there ugly they dont "bounce" they walk dead basicly there also used in EVERY other MMORPG(most mmorpg's actualy but...)

[Mister Matt]

Well you have to have the basic's Hanstin, they just need to look unique from all the other's.

[a chewy rock]

You don't necesarilly have to have horses. They're just the most common mount and known.

[Spartan]

Pegasus?
Unicorn?
Polar Bear?
Kodiak Bear?
Giant Snake?
Mammoth/Elephant?
Dragon?
Wyvern?
Chimeras?
Other People? lol

[xhellmagic]

how about ur own personal mount >.>
*i wan that thing there,with wings ...and long neck...OOO MAYB CUT THE 2 LEGS OFF AND ADD A FIRE BREATHING ATTACK*

[Mister Matt]

I thought of something similar like that, but it was for pets. I thought we could do something like Spore, but it would be better with mounts probably.

[a chewy rock]

It would be really cool to be sble to create your own unique mount or pet.

[wilco]

wish we could find something new like ghost mounts or something to that effect.

[a chewy rock]

That would be pretty sweet.

[ToN]

nothing like playing level 1 and watching all the level 100 players run past on there golden dragons is there :)

i sure hope the mounts are unique and customizable in colour and accesory's

i know im weird i just like decorating things =)

[Senuma]

Reading about the different races I came up with some suggestion for mounts. Just my ideas and what I thought would fit.

Deva-Since they are celestial I thought some celestial beasts would fit.
1) Pheonix
2) Tiger

AlGar-Demon race so I thought of
1) Cerberus
2) Chimera

Humanity- Since they have technology I thought some sort of
animal/mechanical hybrid would fit them.

[Mister Matt]

AlGar-Demon race so I thought of
1) Cerberus
2) Chimera

Riding on a Cerberus would be badass.

[GaretJax]

Reading about the different races I came up with some suggestion for mounts. Just my ideas and what I thought would fit.

Deva-Since they are celestial I thought some celestial beasts would fit.
1) Pheonix
2) Tiger

AlGar-Demon race so I thought of
1) Cerberus
2) Chimera

Humanity- Since they have technology I thought some sort of
animal/mechanical hybrid would fit them.

Humanity would be sweet to have something like Horses (that you could place armor on) and then a hover bike, somewhat like the ones in Judge Dredd, maybe we could even put one of the little attachment seats (Like in Indiana Jones) for that guys chihuahua.

As for a Phoenix or Tiger? I don't know, I think Griffon's would be sweet, but I would love to ride a dragon, I think all mounts should be accessable to all the races, but some are just more difficult to acquire because you have to tread into enemy territory to pick up one of their mounts...

[Mister Matt]

How about mounts for water? Like Sharks or dolphins or some futuristic speed boat.

[Valkazon]

If I was going to play a human toon then I'd want something mechanical for a mount, be it a bike as mentioned before, car of some sort ie conventional or hover etc.

[amz181]

This is totally my opinion but im one of those people who prefer no mounts, i like it when theres powers for transport or maybe even a skill level but mounts for me are a bit much and dominate over the economy

[Brionntateg]

For those of us that love fine horses ... please think of including some really beautifully presented horses. And if you do, please have someone who really knows, loves, and understands their conformation and the physics behind their movements do the artwork. I bred Drum Horses and Spanish Normans and it's a real drag to go into a gorgeous game and find ugly horses, ones with legs that would never work in real life, or that move like dogs. Also, variety in type, colors, and sizes would be lovely -- especially (and now I'm getting greedy, I know, if we could design them like you design the actual characters. Even just a few custom choices could really enhance the personal choice of mount. I'd go human in a heartbeat if I could work toward buying an incredible warhorse and maybe a swift traveling mount (why not let us have two?)

Ah well ... I had to put my two cents in :)

[Mister Matt]

Please look at Gun's horse animations. Best ever imo.

[SnipingAngel]

I was voting for Karate Monkey and Ninja Shark mounts but that was quickly shot down :(

lol pirate greater than ninja anyday but anyways.
for the demon race have like demonic looking dragons while angels get some kind of mont that is pure looking but can do a boat load of damage when needed and humans get horses (spell cheek) and giant cats

[a chewy rock]

I expect some type of mechanical or part mechanical, part sentient type mount for the humans since they are highly technological. I think I've said this somewhere in this thread before so I'm done.

[Rauko]

If you want to know how horse combat should be done, check out an independent game called Mount & Blade. Its a bit rough around the edge but it is seriously the best medieval combat I have every experienced. WARNING: its addicting...

Anyway, their horses are great. When you kill a guy on his mount sometimes he'll get caught on the horse and be dragged a little bit by the horse before getting loose. Or the horse bucks up and then fall of the back and then you've got a horse just runnin around.

Biggest thing you should take from M&B to translate into KS:
Mounts are big. When you run into a smaller monster or even player, they should take damage.

There should be a "combat mode" for your mount. Mounts have "hp" (that then gives you options for several tiers of mounts) and you can charge enemies that are unmounted and your mount will do some damage as well as take some. When the mount's damage is down, you have to dismount. The enemy could still hit you so if they are quick they could side step and swing or ranged guys would probably get the best of you, so lots of variety there. Enough so that you probably would end up just using it against monsters. But I could see a line of mounted warriors running into a line of enemies in a pvp battleground :) then dismounting on the other side of the chaos they've created. Then another group attacks from the front and suddenly you've got your enemy in a pincher. No retreat.

[Rauko]

Oh and it made have been mentioned (long posted, looked as much as I could)
but I never saw Eagles suggested as a Deva mount.

Yea. Give 'em Eagles.

Don't forget you can make up completely new creatures for mounts if you want...
Playing Rohan right now and they have several fairly cool mounts that I couldn't really put a name on. One looked like a giant spider but with 4 legs (actually...they looked like the drones from Star Wars episode 1 that walk around on 4 legs in the hanger bay...), the other was like a big two legged lizard/dinosaur. Wasn't really dragon-like, more dinosaur.

[jimmy6154]

Mounts are cool, but for some reason I have mixed feeling on the Deva using a mount. I can't quite put my finger on it yet. Maybe its because they can fly already...

hmm got to think about this one some more.

[a chewy rock]

Mount & Blade does have some fun combat. Thinking about it makes me want to play it again. If you haven't played it I suggest you check it out. There's a trial version that lets you level your character to a certain point and then he is no longer usable. You should be able to steal a mount from a group of enemies before your time is up; I always did. You could knock people out and sell them into slavery or have them fight for you to make your party bigger. Biggest encounter I've seen was around 80 people, mounted and foot-soldiers.

It does seem hard to picture a Deva on a normal mount like a horse or even an eagle. Really any flying mount; they have wings.

[Nurvus]

How about any kind of beast that is remotely "tameable" and/or all kinds of vehicles.

I'd say bikes would make alot of sense for humans. But where to leave them? xD in a pocket universe? or perhaps camouflaged.

More specifically:

Humans - Engineering at its best. Motorcycles, etc.
Deva - Deva technology - some artifacts - in the form of flight accessories, essentially empowering flight. Some are suited for low altitude flights (land traveling - hovering) and some for high altitude flights.
Al'gar - Some artifacts that when focused upon, shapechange the al'gar into a more mobile beast. It certainly goes along the exomorphic armor.

Any - Tameable beasts.

Acquiring enough data from the "opposite factions" may provide some cross-technology stuff.

[Rauko]

Well if the Deva have wings and can fly, then maybe they just need some kind of propulsion so they don't have to waste energy flapping their wings.

Along those lings, and slightly off topic, will there be any kind of...Energy meter for Deva and flying? So they can't fly indefinitely in combat or even out of combat without some kind of assistance.
Anyone ever play Tribes? Longer flight times than in Tribes, but the same could go for whatever Human modes of flight as well (Al'Gar as well I would assume).

Anyway, always liked the idea of taming animals. Obviously your options would have to be limited somehow for the dev's sake, but the idea of first not killing it and then somehow capturing it would be cool. Maybe you have to take it to a trainer and leave it for some time and pay a fee.
Since you have to buy other mounts that is where you could ensure they have to pay some (less) to tame a mount.

[jimmy6154]

deva's killing something or enslaving something I think would be against what they stand for, being all that is good. If they have a mount or creature at their side I would assume it would be more of a bond or mutual agreement.

[Nurvus]

1 - Taming and enslaving are two extremely different things.

You can "offer" the beast food, etc, gain its trust, and make use of its ability.
In your point of view it is enslavement, but that's a point of view.
Depending on how you handle things, it can simply be care and guidance.

I don't see present day horses enslaved anymore than slaves were tamed in the past.

2 - I wouldn't say energy for Deva if they are flapping wings.
It's a physical exertion.
What I'd suggest is a Stamina gauge, that is spent with running, flying, swinging your weapons, etc.

The heavier your weapons/armor the more stamina you consume with your actions.

Anyway, there's alot do work with to finely balance the game.

[reddo]

1 - Taming and enslaving are two extremely different things.

You can "offer" the beast food, etc, gain its trust, and make use of its ability.
In your point of view it is enslavement, but that's a point of view.
Depending on how you handle things, it can simply be care and guidance.

I don't see present day horses enslaved anymore than slaves were tamed in the past.

2 - I wouldn't say energy for Deva if they are flapping wings.
It's a physical exertion.
What I'd suggest is a Stamina gauge, that is spent with running, flying, swinging your weapons, etc.

The heavier your weapons/armor the more stamina you consume with your actions.

Anyway, there's alot do work with to finely balance the game.
Oh god no. Please no D:
Has anyone played Hard to be a god? If so, remember the stamina gauge? That was the shittiest experience I've had with a new game ever. I couldn't kill a wolf.
The stamina thing would just hinder people trying to get around. Same thing happened in Priston Tale, where one would run out of stamina every now and again. (But everyone had an unlimited supply of stamina potions, so I don't understand why they kept the bar). Also, isn't a slower attack speed a fitting penalty for heavy weapons? I wouldn't say armor because I don't know enough about what types there are.

[Nurvus]

Well you sure picked a nice set of examples...

Let me try my own examples:

WoW's Mana vs. GuildWars' energy

In WoW is a big pool that refills slowly.
Result (in my opinion) hard to balance. Easy to exploit; requires cooldowns to prevent small bursts of death sentences, etc.

In GuildWars we have small pool that fills fast.
Result (in my opinion) it balances things very well. You can try and burst damage, but you will run out of energy faster, and then need to catch your breath.

It's much like the WoW Rogue's Energy bar, too.
What would happen if WoW's Rogue had 1000 Energy instead of 100, and 1/10 of the regeneration speed? He'd kill everyone in seconds due to larger burst damage, and then stealth away xD

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If this is applied to Stamina, it can be made into something perfectly balanced.

Walking might not spend any Stamina. Running would spend some. Sprinting would spend quite a bit.
You wouldn't be swinging your weapons like a madman eternally - at least not without some consequences.
Jumping and so forth would not be without effort.

Sprinting, instead of having a X sec duration and/or Y sec cooldown, it would simply be available as long as you have enough Stamina.

It adds another dimension to managing your character.

In the end, what you are criticizing is the way Stamina was implemented in those games, not the concept of Stamina itself.

[jimmy6154]

I play a caster in WoW and manage my mana in a what that would make it last very long by using a lesser lvl spell with higher equipment modifiers. Though I think Bliz tweaked that after the expansion and made it so you were less able to do that... not sure I haven't played WoW in a while.

But adding elements can get confusing... 2 of the primary's... Health and mana/energy/stamina (depending on what class you play). Gear is a tailored attribute that can effect these things and IMO I tend to focus on one rather then the other. As a caster it was mana. As a warrior it was Health.

[Nurvus]

Stamina can be affected by your stats, instead of being a completely new stat.

Constitution - defines the Stamina regeneration speed.
Agility - defines the amount of Stamina.
Strength - reduces penalty of weight on Stamina spent by your actions (the stronger you are, the easier is acting under weight.)
Dexterity - reduces the base Stamina spent by your actions (your finesse lets you make optimal use of Stamina)


Having Health and Mana(or Energy) plus Stamina, isn't complicated at all.

On WoW, when you're out of Mana, that's it. Maybe you've got a potion, Mages have Evocation every 8 mins, Warlocks can sacrifice health for mana... but wichever the case, you're not really managing your Mana, you're just saving it...

In Guild Wars, you manage your Mana. It regenerates quickly, and there's not alot of it, so imagine you would cast your spells with a Rogue's Energy bar.

You'd have to decide if you want to keep it empty or save some to react (Counterspells, Blink, etc)

The same for Stamina Gauge.

[jimmy6154]

How is saving your resources not a management of those resources? I think it is and to factor what your saving it for into everything else that is going on in a particular event is crucial.

My thought on stamina is that if I'm traveling from one place to another I don't want to be hindered to a crawl because my stamina is low from running/flying/swimming a long distance. Though would take forever and to me is kind of annoying.

[Nurvus]

Well I understand that once someone gets the epic flying mount in WoW (+280% speed) any slower mount (+100% and below) becomes boring and annoying...

It's a matter of perspective.
Whether you get bored or not, depends on your individual patience, your goal and your tools to achieve it.

At first you may have no mount at all, does that make you bored?

Plus, I never said anything about specific "Stamina Costs" from running/flying, so how can you immediately flag it as boring?
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When I spoke of WoW and Guild Wars' differences, I mean that the first leads to a series of needs due to unbalance.
These needs are cooldowns on instant abilities, cooldown abilities that allow to regenerate mana, etc.

The second has no needs at all -_-. It balances itself.
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"How is saving your resources not a management of those resources?"

The point here is that in WoW, saving her resources is about all a mage has going for her regarding "Managing resources"... while a rogue (the Energy is somewhat like Guild Wars) actually manages resources in various ways.

Basically, WoW is about long term buffs, and one-way tickets to 0 mana.
Guild Wars is about constant management of all your resources.

However, I'm not defending Guild Wars. Despite the huge amount of skills there, only using 8 in battle is a bit annoying.
But still, compare it to WoW PvE Raiding and Instancing and you'll see little differences xD

[jimmy6154]

Well I understand that once someone gets the epic flying mount in WoW (+280% speed) any slower mount (+100% and below) becomes boring and annoying...

In some cases, just depends on the person and situation. I had a turtle mount in WoW used it to run around town. I also had a epic mount that I used to travel long distances with.

It's a matter of perspective.
Whether you get bored or not, depends on your individual patience, your goal and your tools to achieve it.

At first you may have no mount at all, does that make you bored?

Very much so a matter of perspective


Plus, I never said anything about specific "Stamina Costs" from running/flying, so how can you immediately flag it as boring?never said you did. I was just expressing my annoyance at traveling long distances when stamina is a factor and when it drops to zero you slow down.

[a chewy rock]

Jimmy, you could just have one standard moving speed and no stamina bar or you could enjoy that same speed with the ability to increase your speed for a short time by sprinting at the cost of some stamina. Regular moving speed wouldn't lower your stamina. You don't have to use the features to get you somewhere faster if you don't want to deal with returning to normal speed.

[jimmy6154]

Jimmy, you could just have one standard moving speed and no stamina bar or you could enjoy that same speed with the ability to increase your speed for a short time by sprinting at the cost of some stamina. Regular moving speed wouldn't lower your stamina. You don't have to use the features to get you somewhere faster if you don't want to deal with returning to normal speed.

nice... makes senses.

[Moloch]

wtb palanquin

[Avacon]

well if you want mythology to be included into this how about Cerberus the demon dog or how bout the hydra or the angelic pegasus or the 9 tail fox and the 9 tailed wolf goddess of the japan mythologies. you can also include many other kinds as well i can see human riding in on weird motorcycles and also see them in outlandish ram to kill cars. but i would still like my demon clown windup car lol

[Rhiannon]

For the record I would like to see these mounts being able to teleport you from point a to point b, because they are mystically tamed creatures that adore you enough to let you ride on their backs...why can't they be mystical enough to do such a beautiful transition from nyc to hong kong in the blink of an eye.

I am so sick of teleports in games that come from out of nowhere and have absolutely no stories to them. It's so stupid, and makes the game so distasteful.

If these mounts were able to take such awesome requests, their levels should open up new areas to be teleported to as well. I mean really ^.^
Why not even place some restrictions in there too. This type of flame
phoenix can only travel hot arid areas of the world, otherwise it will lose energy and stamina making it's speed drop dramatically, so your better on foot in that case. Heh I love this idea...

Mounts shouldn't only be animals....Mounts should also be mechanical things too. Why not a jet? Why the hell not? A private jet for humans equipped with rocket launchers!

I would love to see subways in game. Trains that take you from this town to the next. Underground worm holes that take your capsuled body from here to the edge of the world.

[amz181]

I got to agree with Rhiannon, but i disagree on the point of mounts being able to teleport. Teleporting mounts is just a bit OTT. What it should be is like for the humans, a steam train that takes them to places in the blink of an eye. For Deva, maybe some holy altars which they can traverse though at will. And for the Algar...Maybe some mirrors which they can walk through which takes them to other places.

That way the trasportation methods fit in with the characters, and retains the story. Instead of a unicorn using "fluffy teleporty worty, make me got to sanctuary, wary"

[Rhiannon]

I would hope to think that all three races are that technologically advanced to make such portals possible..Though I will go further into why mounts teleporting would be a nice alternative. We are use to having mounts just take us by the click of a mouse, or auto-move. So how I thought Kaos could incorporate a fresh new way is by folding a sheet of paper bringing us to point b that easily. We have leylines scattered all over our world, so why not in Kaos? Leylines are thought to be points of power because the electromagnetic levels are higher compared to other areas of the world. Really ancient religious and governmental sites are found to be placed on these leylines. Kaos could have these same leylines that can take us and our mounts to various other leylines, just like portals. I feel animals are more sensitive and instinctive to mapping out areas like this. As for mechanical mounts if this was the case in Kaos, let us hope that our armor is strong enough so our bodies don't get demolished in the process :P I think this would satisfy your point amz and my own, but it might just be me pushing my ideas across anyway I can lol.

[amz181]

That would put Mounts at an even higher demand that they always are. And as you know, mounts are economy killers. Adding teleleleeleleleleport function would increase popularity, and cause further damage to the rainforest (aka economy)

[Rhiannon]

Yeah that is true, but this could also be easily worked out too. Making these mounts with teleportation abilities non-tradeable. Maybe giving these special mounts out to players who have beaten a special boss type near end game??
That is an idea ^.^

Makes sense because by that time the more experienced players have explored most land by than,
making those lands accessible but a pain in the ass to get to at times. The special mounts would ex out the costs of using portals (if there is any costs) and the pain of stopping at point b to teleport to point c, when you can just get it all done with one click.

Another thing to mention is combat while mounted. I hate having to click this that and the other, to just kill a mob or enemy. So possibly offering armors and protection for the mount, as well as special equipped weaponry to use while you are mounted. Oh and maybe breeding mounts with other players. That would be a nice addition...

[amz181]

I like the idea of only experienced players, nearing total completion of the game, having the teleport function, but forcing everyone else to use conventional means, seeing as they havent explored...

Heres an idea!!!!

Lets just do this from the human point of view. The steam train at sanctuary only has a few destinations, but you can however take missions (via the steam train vendor guy thing) to go to a city normally, going across land. And thus finding a new place where the steam train Ltd. could further expand. And after this you finish the mission, you get some stuff and the new railway line opens.

That way, every player will be forced to find the railway routes, by actually exploring than just skipping it all via train.

Please include that, it would be amazing!!!

[Avacon]

I like the idea of only experienced players, nearing total completion of the game, having the teleport function, but forcing everyone else to use conventional means, seeing as they havent explored...

Heres an idea!!!!

Lets just do this from the human point of view. The steam train at sanctuary only has a few destinations, but you can however take missions (via the steam train vendor guy thing) to go to a city normally, going across land. And thus finding a new place where the steam train Ltd. could further expand. And after this you finish the mission, you get some stuff and the new railway line opens.

That way, every player will be forced to find the railway routes, by actually exploring than just skipping it all via train.

Please include that, it would be amazing!!!
well how about a road train?
Thinking that route because somewhere on the forums was the mention of cars for transportation for humans. So by having a road train if a player is in the field have some of these supped up cars (loaded for war) maybe 3, 1 defender in front and 1 in rear of the main car (kinda like an armed caravan but with engines). then when the player is out killing he/she happens to see by chance one drive by in his/or her vision. Since they havn't explored the locations and routes they won't have acsses to the Routes much like what Rhiannon and amz181 are saying.

Also was thinking while writing this (yes my head does hurt now tyvm). How about the ability for specific missions that require a mount to do them.
That way not only will the more hardcore players have a extra goal to strive for, but with mount specific quests it will add a unique twist to the game.
Another thing i was thinking about is with mounts and transportation. When this game has its Epic Battles why not include the transportation as an added tool for the higher end player to assist them in/on the battle field.
Then any of the newer or even some of the more goal based players will see the abilities of being a more in depth player and strive to do so themselves.
Also last thing i can see is that unless the use for a special mission or for the war on the battlefield i can't see a angel or a demon actually using transportation like mounts to get to locations. What i mean is that after they explore a location have for the angel side to have a church to pray at then there soul leaves the town and manifests itself in the town previously explored.
For the demon side also likely able to see them after exploring a location using the fire (campfire or giant furnace) as the means to get to locations because of the hell with flames style setting. This way they can move to location's via ash cloud.

[amz181]

If they do include cars, i doubt they will be all "supped up" id imagine them to be more along the lines of futuristic hummers, so bascically the new batmobile :p

[Rhiannon]

Would be sexy. See under the concept art there is a human ^.^ Mounted on a horse. A horse that has a unicorn horn, but I would suspect it just to be a detachable horn used as these mounts primary weapon. It also is equipped with armor ^.^ Like how I pictured it to be. I forgot about this piece, and thought you guys should interpret it here.

http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/3069/kaosmounttl9.jpg

[Rhiannon]

Ah forgot to add in this too....This looks to me like a human subway lol. I dunno someone might see something different but this looks like a portal for in between the worlds getting to places or something...Or maybe it is just of the lore???

http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/1809/portalkaoshy4.jpg

[Seint]

Maybe the mounts could be vehicles? and they could be more customizable the further you get in the game. At lower levels the vehicles would be slower and cheaper, and parts to upgrade would be cheaper compared to higher level parts.
I was thinking maybe you could customize the engine, tires, and of course the appearance of the vehicle. The engine would obviously change how fast you accelerate and maximum speed, and tires would maybe control your handling?

I dunno, it's just an idea, but I think it'd be awesome to ride you're own custom hotrod ;D

Edit: If the game is going to include advanced artillery and energy weapons it could have vehicles couldn't it? =P

[Avacon]

Ah forgot to add in this too....This looks to me like a human subway lol. I dunno someone might see something different but this looks like a portal for in between the worlds getting to places or something...Or maybe it is just of the lore???

http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/1809/portalkaoshy4.jpg
acttually it looks more like your looking upwards towards the ceiling inside the heaven sides palace or it could be your falling down to the floor of it. really don't know what to say on this one you got me stumped Rhiannon. very nice concept art tho

[SnipingAngel]

theres no tellikng wat that picture is of and thiers no telling how the mount system will turn out

[MESS14H]

one thing Ive always thought was a bit naff about mounts is the way to summon them. I.e blow a whistle and they miraculously jump out of your back back and appear full sized and your already mounted on them. One think I like about Conan is that they actually bothered to animate you climbing onto your mount but how you managed to cart around a 30 ton mammoth around is a bit beyond believable. It would be nice to see the Deva or algar have some sort of ritual to summon their mount. make it a spell or prayer they have to recite or something. as for the humans maybe they might have to gain some sort of storage for their vehicles (if they have them) which can be summoned using some form of teleportation device. Teleportation stations can be doted around the world that players can teleport to or teleport items from maybe but must have some sort of time restriction. i.e. a timer for the teleporter locater to recharge. Players can acquire better teleporters as they progress in the game i.e. skill 1-10 trans location skill allows you to teleport yourself 1 way back to the teleport station. skill 11-30 you've figure out how to use location markers so you can set a location to teleport too and from the teleport station. i.e. find a location you like and program the location into the device. The higher the skill the more locations can be stored.
skill 31- 50 you can teleport small objects i.e. the sword you left in your locker or a certain type of ammo you've just realized you need. The higher the skill the bigger the items you can teleport. Hover bikes, tanks even a T-Rex maybe. Having some form of bind stone mechanic is kinda essential in any mmog